Clinton reserves right to appeal

This is about our country. This is about restoring America to its greatness."

It's about the country...right after it's about Michigan and Florida being more important than the other 48 states.

Obamas will tear this place apart in a bad way. Rezko, his financier, TRASHED low income housing in the very area for the very PEOPLE Obama says he was 'helping'.
And what's up with Rezko in that 'other' paper:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezko/978735,CST-NWS-rezko30.article
The Obamas and John Edwards (sadly) are engaged in not what's best for the party or the country, but in wresting control of the Dem party.

How about a Gore-Obama or Gore-Dean ticket!

Howard Dean is making a lot of sense here by saying that the committee should think of the good of the country, not their particular candidate. In other words, he seems to be saying that in order to honor this country, every vote must be counted, when ever it was cast. To not count Michigan and Florida voters is to insult them and this country. Every qualified voter's ballot must be counted, or the final outcome will never be accepted.

Let's split this baby in half.

As I posted earlier, in ALL of HIllary's VICTORIES, her average NET gain of delegates was 14. In ALL of her VICTORIES, the percentage of delegates she won was 61%.
MI and FL originally would have elected 313 delegates (MI - 128 and FL - 185).

If Hillary were given 61% of the electable delegates from MI and FL, she would pick up a total net gain of 69 delegates from both states (or 34.5 from each state), far exceeding her average net gain (14) in all of her 16 previous victories.

The most reasonable way to do it, therefore, would be to spit the difference in those net gains in half. Thus, Hillary would pick up a net gain of 24.25 (34.5 - 14 = 20.5; 20.5/2 = 10.25; 14 + 10.25 = 24.25) from each state (FL and MI).

Thus, Hillary's total net gain from both FL and MI combined should be 48.5 elected delegates.

Anything more would be a rip off of the Obama campaign. And if she gets something less, she should be thankful because even she, at one point anyway, agreed that FL and MI should be stripped of their delegates.

Unfortunately, Dean's prescription still leaves a great deal of room for interpretation today. As an Obama supporter, I can point to a mountain of evidence indicating that nominating Obama is in the best interests of the party and the country. Clinton and her supporters have been very actively and publicly doing the same.

Although today's decision may affect the nomination, committee members should base their decision about Michigan and Florida delegates on the purpose and implications of the rule being implemented, not on the state of this race at this moment. They should be able to justify the fairness of their decision in the context of Democratic primaries in general.

The rule in question was not arbitrary. The timing of primary contests in various states affects the outcomes of those contests. The generally agreed upon rules and procedures of the contests affect the way campaigns approach those contests.

The committee members should make every effort in their deliberations to leave out the names and circumstances of this particular primary. Whether they have publicly endorsed a candidate or not, they most likely all have preferences. Those preferences should not decide this case.

If they cannot ignore the particular circumstances of this primary, I hope they will balance their biased arguments much better than what I have seen for the past several months. Issues such as the effect of the timing on the outcome, the effect of the rules on campaign strategies, the effect of the rules on voter behavior, and the interpretation of Michigan's "uncommitted" votes have received almost zero attention, compared to superficial statements about Clinton "winning" the two contests but not getting credit for them because of some rule and Clinton's oft-repeated and rarely challenged lament that every vote should count. For example, the Clinton argument that Michigan's "uncommitted" votes should not go to Obama because the voters' intentions were not clear has been widely reported, yet none of these reports points out that Michigan's "uncommitted" votes very clearly were intended to be cast AGAINST Clinton, who now says she should be able to compete for the delegates associated with those votes.

I don't think the history books - and, let's face it people, that's what this is all about - aren't going to remember the losers. No one's going to write 100 years from now that Gore was "thinking about the country." They will write that the Republicans pants Gore and Bush set the agenda for the next 8 years that affected the country ... how? We don't know yet. We do know that it added a few strokes to Bush's golf game since he hasn't been able to play so much in deference to the sacrifice that the troops in body bags and in wheel chairs and their families have been making. Everyone else, enjoy your summer. You're worth it.

To have allowed this bungled situation to fester throughout the primary season is an abomination and shows very poor leadership qualities on the part of Howard Dean. If he couldn't see this flanking maneuver by the Clintons, then he should never have been the chairman of our Party. Finally, Senator Obama followed the rules and he comported himself like a gentleman. To see that as a weakness or a character flaw will be the greatest mistake the Democratic Party will have made in its existence and maybe its last. He represents true Democratic ideals and his supporters have supported him because of his loyalty to those ideals !! To deny him the nomination will be a guaranteed win for the Ridiculous Republicans, who, in no small numbers, supported the candidacy of Senator Obama's opponent !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

every vote must be counted, when ever it was cast. To not count Michigan and Florida voters is to insult them and this country. Every qualified voter's ballot must be counted, or the final outcome will never be accepted.

Posted by: Linda | May 31, 2008 12:41 PM

Let me see if I can just recap your stand. Even though this was a totally flawed primary, where many did not turn out to vote because they were TOLD it wouldn't count, you wish to have your (clinton) way or it won't be accepted. Doesn't seem so "it's about the country" to me.

Just for clarification: Why did Florida and Michigan hold their primaries earlier than usual again?

I tried to respond to a poster on the Florida thread that seems to be 404 now so I can't respond there. So I'll try here. His point was that it was republicans who moved the primary up...what could they do. Well if that were the case, why doesn't every republican controled state do the same. Simple..it's because your states democratic legislators allowed it. They too wanted to be more important than the other states. They thought no way would they lose at this game of chicken with the DNC. You write here how you won't vote this and you won't vote that but none of you took the time and demanded action from your own legislators. Don't vote for them.

Gore- Dean ticket sounds good...

It's 'ever' Linda. The Obama supporters just don't READ enough.
And all these newly involved 'activists' like yourself (?) sure rolled over when Kerry and EDWARDS did on us, when the bogus 9/11 attacks occurred, when Chimpy McFlight Suit pressured Congress to vote for Iraq War or risk being turned out of office by the likes of ---hey--where were YOU?
Where was OBAMA?
Nowhere.
Some things never change.
In it to win it now and long term?
THEN JOIN HILLARY'S BANDWAGON.

It seems to me they all could have come to an agreement without all this fanfare, wasted time and people power. If all they are going to do is split this either 73/55 or 64/64 or 69/59 then why couldn't they have done this over the phone, just the two campaigns, since this is what it's about, is it not? We all know Hillary is not interested in the voters, if she was she wouldn't be trying to disenfranchise the voters who did not come out to vote nor would she be trashing all the caucus states Obama won because give me a break, those are people too, and they voted too and it was a legal primary vote!!

To allow seating of the FL and MI delegates after they broke the rules weakens the DNC's ability to enforce any future ruling. The DNC should not cave in to popular or political opinion - you break the rules, you pay the price, PERIOD.

They should also hold Hillary to her agreement that FL and MI should be stripped of their delegates back when she presumed she would be the nominee.

Don, I agree this should have been dealt with months ago. This FL & MI thing seems to me to be the last straw Hillary is clinging to. Obama can afford to be generous here, and give Hillary a greater share of the delegates, and she still would have no prayer. I think the Obama side will be willing to go along with something along the lines of what Bud suggested. Obama would still have a commanding lead, and not risk alienating MI and FL voters. Claims that the delegates should be seated as the votes came down is ridiculous, in that Obama was not even on the ballot in MI, and there was no campaigning.

Bill R., the claim that the Republicans moved the primary up in FL by themselves is a myth. While it is true that the GOP has majorities there, look at the votes. The FL House passed the resolution unanimouisly, and the senate vote was something like 37-2. That is called overwhelming bipartisan support to move up the primary, and both parties share the blame. I am willing to bet the DNC would not have come down nearly as hard on the FL dem voters if their reps had voted against the resolution, but were outvoted in the end by the GOP. But that's not what happened. The irony of this whole situation is that if FL and MI had left their primaries where they were, they would have had quite a bit a relevance being late in the race.

as a McCain supporter (he sucks, but is the lesser of 3 evils) the longer this goes on the worse this is going to end. If Hillary get the delegates Obama's black stooges Jackson Sharpton and Farrakhan will be screaming the race card and disenfrancise the black voters who will show up in low numbers in November. If Florida and Michigan are not counted all those Hillary supporters, the womens lib groups/Bulldikes and the white blue collar union guys either go to McCain or don't vote. This is like a bitter divorce and will most likely end in an ugly fashion!

It is about who the Dems think can beat McCain. And candidly, that's Hillary, not Barack.

As a party, we cannot stand for another four years of Bush-like administration. We must run someone who can beat McCain.

Don't be fooled by those who complain that the MI and FL voters would be "disenfranchised" if their votes weren't counted.

The ex-gov from MI pleaded several times that the 600,000 (actually 594,398) people in MI who voted should have their votes counted. He said that was four times the number of people in MI who voted in 2004 and my research indicates that this is about right.

So, MI gets 128 elected delegates for 594,398 voters, or about one delegate per 4,644 voters.

In IL, 2,038,614 people voted in this year's Democratic primary, selecting 153 delegates, or one delegate per 13,324 voters.

Who's being disenfranchised now?

First, a committee decided to remove the delegates.
Why, because Florida and Michigan wanted to have an early primary.

The rules c', decided to penalize those States, BUT gave a waiver to New Hampshire. No penalty. ?????????

Who's fault, the committee.

Next time, maybe the committee will penalize 20 States and make it a 30 State Primary. Except for New Hampshire, they'll get a waiver.

And not all removed their names. They didn't campaign, but a mistake was made by Obama, Edwards, Richardson camps.

And voting is a choice.

The Clinton camp wants 73 delegates from the MI primary to 55 for "uncommitted" - which the ex-Gov of MI said would likely go to Obama. Then he said that the "uncommitted" delegates could change their allegiance over the summer. The audience booed. So he said he meant the "uncommitted" Superdelegates, but the political ploy was already out of the bag. The Clintons want a chance to twist the arms off of those 55 "uncommitted."

No way.

73 for Hillary ONLY IF Obama gets those 55. Then we have a deal.

If they want to twist the arms off of the Superdelegates, let them try.

Democracy doesn't suit the Democrats.

If the Democratic party can't write rules anyone understands or obeys, if none of the Democratic candidates bother to follow their own party's rules, what does that say about the party?

2008 can either be an extension of Bush policies, or a new era of American leadership that involves someone other than the 2 families that have run it into the ground and made themselves disgustingly rich. It's that simple. For people who claim "Obama =defeat", the desperation of the current status of America is clear. They put their trust in one of the 2 families that already ran this country - and profited greatly off of it. Many of the unemployed, blue-collar taxpayers (RustBelt) have lined up behind Clinton - even though Bill signed onto NAFTA, even though Billary didn't get healthcare to change in the 90s, and even though Billary has zero in common with the average "Joe". So, they are willing to continue that pain by backing McCain? OK - go for it. It won't bring Billary back in 2012 or 2016, and the bitterness that you feel now will be long gone (See Al Gore).

The second post on this blog states Rezko is Obama's financier? *WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?*

And these people THINK THEY CAN LEAD THE FREE WORLD?

to all who say make every vote count, the popular vote in Michigan and Florida won't count anyway. The delegates can vote any way they wish even if it seems to be the opposite of the popular vote.

Back in 2000 the Democrats just wanted to block military ballots now they want to block entire states from having there votes counted.

The Deomc"rats" created this mess. But in true Democ"rat"ic form they are blaming the "Republicans".

Speaker after speaker said it was the Republicans fault.

The more and nore you see the deomc"Rats" in action, they more you will realize that are the "PROBLEM"

VJ Machiavelli
www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com

I desperately want to support the democratic party because I want to see an alternative direction to move our country, but it seems that all the infighting and lack of clear direction is going to ruin things for everyone who wants to see a change. Someone needs to step up to the plate and lead.

Maxism – 14. Democracy must overcome enemy tactics in guerrilla war.

After watching today, I wasn't sure how I felt about counting Florida and Michigan. I now believe that their votes should be counted and the delegates fully reinstated. One issue that hasn't been discussed is how this race would be so different if those two elections had not been punished by the DNC. I believe that Hillary would have soared ahead and would now be our nominee. This is what saddens and frustrates many of us.

What are the point of rules if we change them, the two afore mentioned states were warned, and they did not heed that warning, end result the party goes back on its word? The game was played with them out of bounds, now we are going to play as though they were. If the Dems allow this, my future as a Dem hangs. A party that notoriously cannot make command decisions flubbing another may be a bitter pill to much for the moderates.

count every vote!

yep every vote must be counted even if some were done against the rules. Of course those votes will be reduced by those superdelegates only the Democratic Party has. Oh yeah, Dean still thinks the Supreme Court stole the election from Gore. More BS when one reviews the votes in Florida that showed Bush wins under Gore's method of counting or that the fact the Supreme Court ruled correctly about changing the rules of the election for the current election which is clearly unconstitutional, or that the networks called Bush the winner before the polls were closed because those "intellects" at the networks did not know that Florida was in two time zones. Yep count all them votes no matter where they are from. Glad us Hoosiers have to prove who we are to vote by showing a picture ID. That way my legal vote will count.

Obama vs. McCain will be more fun to watch, than an ungracious loser like Hillary.
Our nation has sunk to such a low level. We need change, we've had 8 years of decline.

Obama vs. McCain will be more fun to watch, than an ungracious loser like Hillary.
Our nation has sunk to such a low level. We need change, we've had 8 years of decline.

This meeting should not be happening. All agreed IN ADVANCE to the rules. All KNEW that breaking the rules would cause their delegates to be excluded. So, BREAK the RULES and CRY and WHINE about it and the idiots in the Democrat Party cave in. Of course, if Clinton was ahead in the delegate count, she would be extremely upset if the rules were changed to benefit Obama. Of course that is not the situation. Clinton is a whiner and a loser and will do absolutely anything to buy the nomination.

It is now obvious to all real democrats that the democratic party has abandoned America and embraced extreme anti-American groups. It is incumbent on all real democratic Americans to now abandon the democratic party and support other candidates. While a vote for McCain may seem to be an "O"bamination for real democrats, it is necessary to send a message to the elitist, condesending, arrogant party big-shots that we real democrats will not tolerate the wholesale abandonment of our beliefs which we have held dear for decades. Obama represents everything that is wrong in the world in general and America in particular. Obama is a loser in every sense of the word. Hillary is rightfully the nominee of this party and her nomination is being stolen from her by anti-American, affirmative action bigots known as Obamabots. It's too bad the democrat party chose to lose this election they should have won. But, it is their fault. Hillary in 2012.

Florida and Michigan broke the rules even though they were warned of the consequences of holding their primaries early. They did it anyway. Why is this an issue? We all teach our kids about the results of their actions so why is this even happening? The people of those states need to take it up with the leadership of the states Democratic. party.

Obama created this mess by deliberately taking his name off the ballot in Michigan. He refused to have another election to settle this dispute because he knew that he cannot win in battleground states over real Americans like Hillary Clinton. The entire nomination process is an "O"bamination unto all loyal and patriotic Americans. This is an affront to every single dead serviceman that has fought and died for democracy. Obama is an insult to the flag and everything that it represents. His behavior in this entire episode denying Americans the right to vote in 2 critical battleground states is both appalling and reprehensible. Any democrat who votes for Obama is not an American. Go Hillary in 2012.

Obama is the most disgusting, divisive presidential nominee we have ever had!

Here's a description of how hard Florida Democrats tried to prevent the primary date from being changed. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1461

There is a video somewhere showing Geller (minority leader) sarcastically asking for the primary date to be moved back. It is obvious that his protests were humorous and pro forma.

Hillary agreed to strip these states of their delegates. But wait, a funny thing happened at the way to the democratic convention. Barack Obama came out of nowhere and snatched the Clinton entitlement dream out from under them. Hillary continues to further tarnish her reputation. I hope it's worth it. Hillary's Bataan Death March CONTINUES UNABATED!!! p.s. Mrs Clinton's supporters at the DNC meeting today showed what they are really made of. Not an impressive showing to say the least. Their constant outbursts where pathetic. Thankfully at one point someone had to tell one of the more annoying Clinton supporters to SHUT UP!! She would not stop ranting while others tried to speak. The IQ and etiquette of Hillary's people was on full display for all to see. Harold Ikies was downright spreading half-truths. A sad day for democrats everywhere. I will never look at HRC the same again. I hope it was worth it.

Okay, it's now pretty clear that no resolution of the nomination will occur until the Democratic Convention. Even then, it looks like it will remain hotly contested at the convention itself. And some of you thought I was wrong about Hillary.

The decision was proper.
Since the Democratic Party "leaders" in both Michigan and Florida are all half-wits, their delegates should all get half votes.
Makes perfect sense to me.

I reserve the right to say that Hillary Clinton is a whack-job!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-hbPmcMFxU

Hate to se Hilliary get railroaded, which boils down to RACE-

Time for Hillary to divy up the Kool Aid and send her disciples home.

Time to unite. Let the healing begin!

For the first time since I registered to vote 30+ years ago I am ashamed of being a registered Democrat. What the DNC did today to the party, the voters and the candidates is disgusting at best. They had no right to take votes away from one candidate and award non votes based on exit polls to another. I'm not a fan of Senator Clinton but I hope the Clinton campaign takes this all the way to the Supreme Court if need be.

It is now obvious to all real democrats that the democratic party has abandoned America and embraced extreme anti-American groups. It is incumbent on all real democratic Americans to now abandon the democratic party and support other candidates. While a vote for McCain may seem to be an "O"bamination for real democrats, it is necessary to send a message to the elitist, condesending, arrogant party big-shots that we real democrats will not tolerate the wholesale abandonment of our beliefs which we have held dear for decades. Obama represents everything that is wrong in the world in general and America in particular. Obama is a loser in every sense of the word. Hillary is rightfully the nominee of this party and her nomination is being stolen from her by anti-American, affirmative action bigots known as Obamabots. It's too bad the democrat party chose to lose this election they should have won. But, it is their fault. Hillary in 2012.

Posted by: Kevin | May 31, 2008 6:17 PM

Actually, it's Florida and Michigan's fault. I don't know about you, but growing up I was taught that breaking rules and consequences. Besides, if Hillbill couldn't manage her own campaign finances without going into the hole and would be willing to sell out her own party in the name of a best case "I told you so" scenario for 2012, we might as well cast our votes for a 3rd Bush term. This wasn't an issue until it became an actual race. Clinton though it would be over after Super Tuesday. (The first one, not the other several times she's moved the goal posts). What the DNC did today was fair.

Then again, fairness has never been a strong suit for Clinton or most of her supporters.

This fight is over. It's time to fully call our dogs onto McCain.

What is amazing to me is that an organization that sets rules (if you do x then y will happen) and then changes its mind could have the expectation that in the future anyone would follow the rules. This is the same as if I worked for an employer and they told me that the next time I violated work rules they would fire and then they did not because they needed me to finish a job. This is not the real world. If an employer expected to have the respect of all its employees it would never go back and change what they have said just to be expedient.

I can't sit back and complain to only my husband anymore. I watched the DNC all day today and as the day went on, I got more and more angry. Florida's outcome I can take. All the representatives were on the ballot and had equal opportunity to get voted, even though the people were told their votes were not going to count. What angers me is the final decision for Michigan's votes. Not only did Michigan break the rules, which in itself should have disqualified all their votes for the current election. But, Clinton's name was left on the ballot. In my eyes, EVERY vote for the democratic nomination in Michigan should have been thrown out. I believe the people of Michigan have the right to get their vote counted, but absolutely not in the way it was decided upon today. They should have been given a new vote with BOTH Obama and Clinton on the ballot, or they should have been forced to wait till the Presidential election and gotten their vote out there. If I had gone to the polls and seen only Clinton's name on the ballot, I would have assumed I stupidly missed something and, if I wasn't as against her as I personally am, I would have voted for her. This is unfair in the fact that I am very pro Obama. I don't believe todays results represented anywhere near what they should have. Not only would people not show up to vote knowing their's wouldn't count, but people might vote for whoever was on the ticket to get their vote in, or voted a different way. Even Clinton could have lost votes from people who didn't go after finding out their vote wasn't going to count. I'm not saying this would have changed much, if anything, for either candidate, but I truly do not believe Michigan's votes for the Democratic nomination should have counted. I do believe their votes should count in the Presidential election. That is in the end the most important vote anyways. Just wanted to put my opinion out there so I can let this go and move on.

On one more note, I have to say that if by some miracle Clinton does end up the Democratic nomination for president, I will not in my heart be able to vote for her. I was against her going into this election and the longer it has gone on, the more I am against her. I am a white female who wants to see a woman be president in my lifetime. But I absolutely will not be able to accept Clinton for president.

To Hillary Rally Protesters:

Put on your sheets and hoods, go find Obama supporters, spray them with high-pressured water hoses, beat them with batons, bullwhips, and put the attack dogs on them.

And then you can stand before the Denver convention, and bar the opportunity for Obama (in all fairness, who played by the rules of the DNC) to be the nominee as George Wallace stood in front of University of Alabama to block the entry of two black students..

It's funny how history repeats itsel....

I'm glad this is over and Clinton and her drunk cheerleaders can now go back and crawl under their rocks. The mental gymnastics that team Clinton has been using to justify their version of reality in regards to Michigan & Florida is enough to make any sane persons head explode.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s

I find it unbelievable the incredible and ignorant dreck you are willing to post by Clinton haters, yet won't let anyone comment about Obama unless it is unfettered drooling over that EMPTY SUIT.
This is the most biased blog on the planet.

You idiots should wake up. This is a Republican rag. They are using you to destroy the VIABLE threat to their party, and will start the smear machine with all the truth on Obama the moment he steals the nomination. And when the mud has all been slung, they will blame the Democrats.

And they'll be right. They have played to all your worst fears, including the worst one - the fear of being called a racist.

But a sexist - hell, we can live with that, can't we?

Just don't come crying to Hillary supporters after the next round of gas and milk hikes, or when your insurance runs out and your pension is cut.

Obama will either be
- sitting in a closet sucking his thumb and whimpering, or
- handing over the reins to a cabal of rich white men who say they 'know better'; - and we know how well that's worked for us the last eight years.

This last 'religious experience' your man has put us through should wake you up to what a Pandora's box is in store for us as soon as the last balloon has fallen from the convention hall ceiling....

I find it unbelievable the incredible and ignorant dreck you are willing to post by Clinton haters, yet won't let anyone comment about Obama unless it is unfettered drooling over that EMPTY SUIT.
This is the most biased blog on the planet.

You idiots should wake up. This is a Republican rag. They are using you to destroy the VIABLE threat to their party, and will start the smear machine with all the truth on Obama the moment he steals the nomination. And when the mud has all been slung, they will blame the Democrats.

And they'll be right. They have played to all your worst fears, including the worst one - the fear of being called a racist.

But a sexist - hell, we can live with that, can't we?

Just don't come crying to Hillary supporters after the next round of gas and milk hikes, or when your insurance runs out and your pension is cut.

Obama will either be
- sitting in a closet sucking his thumb and whimpering, or
- handing over the reins to a cabal of rich white men who say they 'know better'; - and we know how well that's worked for us the last eight years.

This last 'religious experience' your man has put us through should wake you up to what a Pandora's box is in store for us as soon as the last balloon has fallen from the convention hall ceiling....

Hillary, reserve whatever you like, but while doing so, make sure you reserve your plane ticket back to New York.

This is so done. Can't wait for Wednesday.

well anne that s only because we where spared the clinon dynasty

I am VERY disappointed that the DNC has decided to go against its earlier word and seat the FL/MI delegates (even if only worth 1/2 vote). This is setting a disgraceful precedent that shows backing down to candidate pressure (clinton). This argument about disenfranchised voters is nonsense. I think all the voters who stayed home and did not vote because they were told their votes wouldn't count are the real disenfranchised voters. Further, no one even knew who Obama was back in January, but CLinton enjoyed name recognition as she bragged that she was the inevitable nominee. I think FL and MI would vote alot differently now.

What is all the furor from the Clintonites?? Let us review. Michigan, which was not controlled by a republican legislature, wanted to get in on the early corination of Hillary. Our Govenor, Jennifer Granholm (whom I voted for) wanted to cozy up to the Clinton's, get in on the early bandwagon, and have access to the White House. The rules commitee WARNED the state democratic party NOT to do this or bad consequences would ensue. Michigan democratic LEADERS decided to ignore the warning and had OUR state primary thown out. Thank you Michigan democatic LEADERSHIP, some example you set. EVERY CANDIDATE AT THAT TIME agreed to COMPLETELY nullify any vote coming from Michigan. So here is my proposal, which every candidate is unhappy with the DNC's Saturday decision? I say we go back to the orginal decision and completely throw out OUR states vote talleys. I live and work here and you know how many "just plain folk" I have heard complain about this issue?? NONE. That's right, absolutely NONE. The only noise I am aware of is coming from the same INSIDERS who were responsible for getting US tossed out in the first place, and most of them are for Hillary. I myself crossed over and voted in the republican's primary because I figured my vote wouldn't count, and I would have voted for Barak Obama, the Christian. I watched the circus in D.C. this afternoon and heard one b.s. artist after the other talk about setting precedents. Well here's precedent. Violate party rules, have a judgement in place and agreed to by all, and then when you don't like the results scream to change the rules or compare yourself to some disadvantged and dysfunctional government in Africa. And Ickes!!!! This guy voted to throw Florida and Michigan out and now he wants a floor fight at the convention. He was one of the folks who helped give us this problem. Hypocracy is not the exclusive pervue of the republicans.

Take a break and think, Clinton supporters. Your candidate lost - there always has to be a winner and a loser, and Hillary lost. That is the way it goes.

Think ahead. Think big picture. The bitterness of this defeat will pass and you will see Obama is the one to vote for. Just give it some time.

With 86 delegates yet to be elected, Obama still needs 64 delegates to clinch the nomination after the DNC awarded MI and FL delegates half-votes. (They should have done this BEFORE the primaries -like the Republicans did - and we wouldn't be in this mess.

Had they done so, do you think more than 594,398 people would have voted in MI? Hint: Wayne County/ Detroit where 42% of the population is black alone had 1,383,184 registered voters in 2006 In January's primary, 163,459 people in Wayne County voted. In 2006, half of the 7 million people registered to vote did so in the gubernatorial election, including 641,965 in Wayne County alone.

Again, Obama's decision to take his name off the ballot will go down as one of the worse blunders in primary history.)

It will take Superdelegates to put Obama over the top; and that better happen by June 4th or Hillary's taking this thing to Denver and she's going to try to win there.

"It's about our country" Yeah..right...the country as the powers that be in the DNC and the media want to see it. The country that includes a whole host of second class citizens....among them now, the people of Florida and Michigan who only deserve HALF of a vote for want the powers that be did to them by putting them in that place and by what the DNC did by altering the calendar in the first place (see the Washington Post article to remind you of the chilly reception the altered calendar had long before Obama and Clinton came on the scence)

Obama disenfranchised FL and MI voters with 1/2 votes. The cut-and-dice-the-vote Obama gamed the system and prevailed with the DNC.

Sen. Clinton should appeal the fundamental unfairness to the credentials committee to get every vote counted in full, undo the MI hijacking, and save the Democratic Party from defeat in November.

Sorry, Susan. I've seen how you and other Obama supporters have trashed Hillary. And now you want her supporters to rally behind the fatally flawed Obama? Yeah, good luck with that in November. Millions of true Democrats will be sitting this one out - and you can thank your hateful, divisive tactics for that.

The DNC, Media, and it's "affirmative action" candidate OBAMA have all totally distinguished themselves this election by a MISOGYNIST MASSACRE.....

Funny???? Think again America! These are all acts of COWARDICE....an inability to deal with ANTI-WHITE RACISM.

So Obama can talk about racism and the rest of us can't? CNN is even touting a special program they are showing this summer on "BLACK AMERICA"

Really? What would happen if they had a "WHITE AMERICA" program?????

And so they choose to demonize, eradicate the FEMALE candidate....it has become 'stylish'???

Our flag colors are changing from red, white and blue to red, YELLOW and blue!

The republicans in Congress failed in the first Bush term by ABDICATION of their responsibilities.

The democrats in Congress are failing us in this term by their cowardice...they are identifying with the aggressor Obama behind his black shield, which is what ALL gang members do.....get on the bully's side to protect ones self ! ! ! ! !
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Clinton OR McCain in November!

Mrs. Clinton is absolutely inspiring on this subject.

As she tells us, she's doing it for the sacred right of voters to decide.

That's the kind of stuff great leaders are made of.

Yes, she is ready to forsake the rule of law effectively, to abandon agreements of only months ago, all in the name of democratic values.

The thinking reminds me precisely of why the U.S. broke international law, abandoned Geneva Conventions, and committed war crimes to bring 'democracy' to Iraq.

But then Clinton voted for that, too, didn't she?

Clinton has so polarized the Democrats, I'm afraid there's every liklihood McCain will win. Her supporters sound like Hitler-Jugend.

It was said at the beginning that the upcoming election was the Democrat's to lose, and it looks like they managed to find just how to do it.