Animal House

Bo, keep the faith. The majority (99%) of the people on this blog are respectful of the owners' wishes and will do as asked. Since it is still okay to make posters and flyers, I will continue to do so until told otherwise. I will "wait" for the one acceptable version to be posted before I make up any more. The goal still is (and always has been) to find Vivi and get her home safely.

Off to take the kids to the National Gallery today. I hope we will all stay on the same page. I printed a test copy of my poster with the how to find a runaway dog by Bo printed on back and it looks great. When I get back from my field trip to DC-National Gallery today I'll start printing. I'll mail tomorrow. Thanks. I do think the less the family knows about the arguing that happens here the less stress it will cause them. I wouldn't be forwarding them anymore upsetting emails. Just think if they got all of them. Don't do it unless there is something really bad about to actually happen. Not just some opinion. They don't need it.

I totally agree Karen. From now on any comments I make will be positive and supportive. And I'll do whatever they want us to do.

Bo, my heart goes out to you, Jill and Paul and most of all Vivi during this terrible time. There are alot of us throughout the country that are so worried and concerned about Vivi's welfare that sometimes not being able to be physically involved in searching for her makes us feel useless and impatient. I also have a Whippet, besides 2 other dogs, and can't even imagine losing any one of them. At this stage in the game I would more than likely be on tranquilizers. I know you're all doing everything humanly possible to get Vivi back and I just want you to know that you're in my thoughts and prayers and that Vivi will be home soon with her loving family.

I think people tend to use the email alttle to blatantly. Stop and think...if you wouldn't say something face to face to a person than don't write it in an email.

BTW, THE 1-877-JFK-VIVI NUMBER IS UP AND WORKING IN CONNECTICUT. I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH THEM AND WISHED THEM LUCK. THANKS MERI-L0U.

GAIL IN CT

IT AMAZES ME HOW THICK HEADED PEOPLE CAN BE...WHEN WILL SOME OF YOU LEARN.....THIS IS NOT YOUR DOG...IF IT WERE YOUR DOG OR CHILD YOU WOULD RESENT PEOPLE WHO ACT ON THEIR OWN .....AND PLEASE DONT CONFUSE DONATIONS WITH RIGHTS.....DONATING MONEY IS WONDERFUL BUT IT DOES NOT BUY YOU DECISION MAKING POWER....WE ALL WANT VIVI HOME....WE TRIED EVERYTHING EVERYONE SCREAMED FOR...2 PET DETECTIVES 20 PSYCHICS,...DOG SNIFFERS, NEWSPAPER ADS....NOTHING WORKED....WE NEED VIVI TO COME TO US....SHE MUST SURRENDER TO A LOCAL PERSON WHO SHE TRUSTS....THATS ALL

Good morning fellow Vivi lovers,

Lois, Karen and Barbara V thank you for your great comments on this thread. Thank you Irene, Pamela, Diane, Kathy, Tina, Rosa, and many others whose names I can't recall at the moment. I admire what EVERYONE EVERWHERE is doing to help Vivi and her owners.

One of my favorite movie lines is (and I have recurrent ovarian cancer so I've gotta believe this!)

"There is always hope."

That is what being on this blog is about--hope, hard work, determination, and tenacity and how together these elements will combine to make Vivi's plight unforgettable and the ending to her story a dream come true for all of us who care for her and her owners.

As with others who live far away from New York, I get comfort from the positive aspects of our online community. I share the pain of those who are facing troubling times with their own beloved companions and those who have lost their animal companions. I think of you daily and hope for positive outcomes for everyone.

Keeping hope alive for ALL who are suffering...

Teresa

LISTEN TO BO - he is right - DO NOT GO OUT AFTER VIVI. Having had whippets for 26 years, having been in the terrible situation Jil, Bo and Paul are in right now, I have learned - THIS IS NOT A GOLDEN RETRIEVER - she will not come up to you - leave her alone and let her decide when and where she needs to come home. She knows people are chasing her and she's continuing to run scared - the more you chase, the further she will go. I go to bed crying over this situation, the first thing I do is hug my whippets and turn on my computer in the a.m. in the hopes that she has been spotted and stopped. It is the wishes of the owners and breeder to handle things this way - THEY KNOW THAT THEY ARE DOING - LET THEM DO IT.

Thank you again BRIAN for telling us how THICK HEADED we can be, it's always so nice to hear from you !
Bo, we can write WHATEVER we WANT you may not like it but oh well we all have a right to an opinion . The only thing you have control of at this point is Vivi's paperwork . You sure as HELL don't have control over me and what I do on a daily basis . I'm not trying to be a Bitch or anything but instead of barking out orders why don't you get the posters made up that you want to be used and let us put them up ? I can't be any more firm on this but NO ONE IS CHASING VIVI!!!! People who are looking have been advised as to what not to do and what to do , we are not stupid idiots many of us are educated people with good jobs and a family ! For Brian to come on and act like a JERK to most of us who are Women is WRONG too! My point is that whether you appreciate it or not I look for Vivi any chance I get . I don't flip out and say oh my god I gotta go find Vivi and get nuts ok ? So my point here is that YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OF THIS SITUATION, you are not here and as someone posted yesturday good luck telling people to stop! I drive quite a distance to look for Vivi and post her flyers(no complaints) . It seems like Brian and Bo have forgotten all the hours "WE" put into this and dug into our pockets to help, please don't assume I'm complaining about $ , I never do something then complain about however , we are the reasons why Karin came , then Laura, all that to help you find your dog and get home. Yes it was us who did that, REMEMBER? Now we are told to back off, relax and calm down or however you put it . You can say what you want but you are not going to be able to go down the streets in NY and say lets stop her she's looking for Vivi she can't do that the end of the world oh no! LOL , what a joke this is , the only one I feel bad for here is Vivi. And I will CONTINUE my search whether anyone likes it or not. So I still sit here , and I'm trying to make sense of this ???? Don't know what you are thinking and you should open your eyes because the people who are looking are great people , Their is a nice way to say things and you and brian have been harsh , 3 can play that game ! Regardless of your demands I want your dog to go home with you and all her other owners so I'll do my thing and you do yours .

THANK-YOU BRIAN
THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT HAVE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL WITH POSTERS, PRAYERS ETC. THAT HAVE BEEN SECOND GUESSING THE OWNERS. FOR EVERY GOOD THING YOU DO, YOU BLOW IT AND YOU TAKE STEPS BACKWARDS. TRY NOT TO BE SO BOSSY AND LET IT HAPPEN. CONCENTRATE ON POSTERS AND NOT NEGATIVITY. THIS HAS CAUSED A LOT OF PEOPLE NOT TO HELP EXCEPT THROUGH PRAYER BECAUSE OF THE POLITICS ON THIS BLOG.

LET GO AND LET GOD

I think Bo is referring to Gail's post about how she and her mother have been searching - she offered suggestions which I think Bo and Honi have misinterpreted. As I read it, Gail was NOT suggesting that people "get together" to try and CATCH the dog, she was suggesting that people need to WORK together and COMMUNICATE better.

I read the suggestion that people "amass" as Gail saying that those closest to a sighting move to the area not to try and CATCH her, but rather to try and keep her in sight. At any given time, that might be two or three people wouldn't it? Surely two or three extra people milling around in a public park would not scare off the dog any more than she is....all they would be doing would be trying to keep her in sight.

I think too much was read into that post...I got an entirely different meaning when I read it - I thought Gail and her mother were quite logical in their approach and suggestions.

Since Gail and her mother are the only ones who have repeatedly seen Vivi and it would appear they have not chased her, they must be doing something right. If not, they are two of the luckiest people I know. I would say, just keep on doing what you have been doing and hopefully all will work out soon.

I really think that was uncalled for. Why don't you just do what you say your going to do and keep it to yourself? Has anyone stopped to think we all may have jumped in to soon and have never given the owners a minute to think about what they wanted to do? It's almost as if we took total control. I have asked before what their plan was before we started all this to see if maybe we need to sit back and let them work on it but as usually there was no answer. Therefore, we do the best we can. If you read some of these blogs they are darn right scary. I don't blame Bo for being upset.

No one can stop you or anyone else from looking for Vivi, just proceed with caution that's all.

I'm really tired of people saying "WE did this and WE did that and WE dug into our pockets" etc. etc. I prefer not to be lumped into the "WE". I AM an educated person and I can speak for myself. What I did and am still doing was and is out of the goodness of my heart for an animal, not for any human. I do not want to even hear a thanks from any of them..all I want is a lick and paw shake from Vivi.

Now you can all go and flame me but you'd be wasting your time. It will roll off me like water off a ducks back so don't waste your time. And don't email either, you will just be deleted without it ever being read. Those of I you I do email with feel free to voice your opinion to me..those I will read.

Thank you Brian. I wrote basically the same thing yesterday and was jumped all over. And trying to make sense's post illustrates perfectly why Bo wants everyone to just back off. You were all VOLUNTEERS who DONATED your time/money, etc. You're acting like your CONTRIBUTIONS should buy you access to updates, inside info and undying recognition from the owners. You are owed nothing. The anger displayed on this site shows me that you aren't doing this for Vivi, you're doing it for your own egos or to fill voids in your own lives. You all need to step away from here and get some perspective. Otherwise reasonable people have begun to sound like a bunch of scary nut cases. The owners have told you what they want you to do, and you're not honoring their wishes. You have no idea what their plans are, nor are they obligated to clear them with you. I don't care if you think you're not physically chasing Vivi during these independent searches. If you don't think all this crazy energy is scaring off Vivi, then you either know nothing about dogs or are just plain selfish. If you acted like this regarding one of my dogs, I'd be getting a restraining order asap. And no, I haven't been out searching...I have 2 Samoyeds from Samoyed Rescue, 5 rescued kitties, a disabled husband and my own business, all based in Mahnattan. I have a handle on keeping things in perspective and a sense of priorities.

If I said smothing to offend you, I am truly sorry.

Meri-lou I don't know who your talking to but if it's me you did not offend me at all as did anyone else.

Gail in CT

Your message after mine indicated that I had said something that was uncalled for and I am not sure what that may have been?

To Vivi's owners and all who love her and want her back:
Just want you to know I pray each day for that beautiful little dog, and look out at my courtyard right off the LIE Exit 26 early each morning and again at night and wonder and hope she will be found. I pray that God guide her and keep her safe, and above all, that she be returned to her owners soon, and hope that no one will harm her. Please don't give up. I will keep praying and believe in my heart that you'll get her back.

No Meri-lou..most of it was directed to the ranting and raving blog of the person who didn't have the guts to put their name on it. I hate cowards that do that..speak up and let yourself be heard don't hide behind apron strings, so to speak.

Thank you. I was afraid that something I had said was taken the wrong way.

Hello Everyone

I have owned birds all my life. I've worked with them, bred them and groomed them. They as well as dogs can see our aura. Grey Parrots are the most sensitive to our auras using sight for survival. I am assuming sight hounds would be more sensitive also being they use sight for their survival. I don't know this for a fact but this experience is convincing me more of this. I also groomed many show afgan hounds, some salukis and borzios. They a very aloof as Vivi must be and very sensitive to our moods. One afgan I groomed was badly abused by a man. As I was grooming him on the grooming table facing my kitchen window that you could see into the neighbors backyards; he saw a man (that to me was very small it was that far)pounding something on the ground. He freaked out, slipping the belly loop and darn near hanging himself. He took a good hour to calm down. Imagine if he was loose outside. A bit over kill to us humans but not so to Rue. He obviously felt very threatened.

Just read where the Golden was aware and looked up at the net. I'm sure he sensed the magnetic field. Vivi would see it first if what I suspect is true. I believe she hears those staplers and possibly even the tape being pulled. She may even be observing us. She see's what we are doing and I can not presume what she thinks but she certainly knows we are concerned. She even knows it's serious But what? So she keeps on the move. She is not running from us. Just the sense of something amiss; which is of course is her. The psychics are right she does feel our energies. I believe the idea of business cards is the best way to go. We've posted enough. Vivi is well known and I believe enough people are aware, have the numbers and know how safely to contain her if they can. We should concentrate on handing these cards out and spreading the word on how to befriend her. She has many hideouts. I have found so many in every place she roams. She probably has no set pattern as we have not let her claim one. If we quiet down she may just set herself a pattern and a home base. As much as we want she will not come until she wants to so if we could at least observe and educate she may decide to befriend some one sooner.

I have seen all the psychics visuals except the cannon. But I do see that all the water fountains in the parks are shaped some what like a cannon. Cocheron (sp) park has a horse designed into it's fence and candy stripped tulips are blooming. I saw that house shape and even the blue steps on steel girders. But these are all just visuals of what Vivi sees. Not where she is. She has not called any place home yet. She is still staking out her territory in my opinion. I myself will not post flyers any more. I am more than willing to pass out those post cards (very successful), business cards and flyers on how to catch Vivi. No I will not say where I have seen visiuals except for thoe most recent which I said above and I will not say where the hide outs are. Vivi needs to have safe havens. Blessings to all.

Barbara-Jean

Gail in CT.....Good for you. Poor vivi needs unselfish people who are thinking of her..Thats what makes sense. Not this "I am the greatest" contest....It is a shame that its come to this. The owners have rights and love thier dog. they know her and thier breed. Be possative for vivi's sake . she needs to be safe at home!!

What we need is a moderator on this site to delete offending posts. Not sure why there isn't one? All the negative stuff is not constructive.

Ok I don't really want to keep this up because I do have a life and to fight with people is not a moment that I really want to get caught up in . Ok here's kind of the wavy bottom line yes it was because of "WE and US" a team of good people who wanted to help look for a lost dog, not because of her being a "show dog" but for being a dog, a lost dog at that and here "WE" are still hoping and praying for her safe return. I'm happy to let people know that I wouldn't stop for anyone, I also know many of "US" have atleast one thing in common, PETS. How is one to react when someone posts that some of us are Thick HEADED ? It puts me on edge, and FYI I don't appreciate it at all... I see no reason to not write what I feel and thats not really how peope should live their life bottled up and ready to explode, I've been listening for some time now and it's not cool that some think we were SCREAMING for the Pet Detective to come when you'd think the owners would want the same thing , especially since they had Karins # after just 10 days. I also want to clear this up too I did not say we were all educated I said many of us, big difference.. Also yes some people literally "dug into their pockets " but I also said I'm not complaining!

To: Just trying to make sense of this:

Why don't you go away. You are annoying.

Actually, He said it's amazing how thick head people can be. I quess I didn't take offense to it because the shoe didn't fit.

I'm not arguing with you..whom ever you may be..there are valid points and not so valid points. It's all in the way it's projected.

Well I can say I'm not a Coward or selfish just looking for Vivi and I allowed to be a mysterious person cuz I'm online. Angela, seen your comments yesturday and you are totally off track , I have NOT asked for one update , It would be nice if they said something about a sighting , but I don't expect it at all. Everything is going down hill anyway , so what the hell I'll just keep looking. Not trying to fill any VOID, my life is pretty good thank you . Owners are not here and if they were they wouldn't even know I was looking unless they seen me hanging flyers... It's really that innocent!

To: Just trying to make sense of this:

If I owned the dog, i'd get a restraining order against YOU. ITS NOT YOUR FREAKING DOG. GO AWAY. If you want to volunteer to help you have to respect the wishes of the owners. If you don't want to do that GO AWAY.

Hey Denise Peterson : I am going away to NY to put up flyers, care to join me? Didn't think so you just go away!

RE: can't see the forest for the trees....

By my own admission, I am acutely aware Vivi is not my dog and have never fantasized of it being any other way! Excuse me, but I do have a life. And a dog. Okay 4. My point is... This isn't about the "giving" part for me. Whether it be money or prayers or unbridled gratitude for the foot soldiers in NYC and everyone out there trying to save Vivi's life, it's more about pride and respect for an unprecedented effort. Appreciation is only common decency and, in the human realm, it is considered a polite exchange. It never WAS a matter of expectation. I'm also of the knowledge and belief that respect is a recipricol virtue. I am not anyone's minion in this situation. I take great offense to being spoken down to..... or being accused of having a hearing deficit. Wake-up call folks.... there is no hierarchy here. No one is better than the next. I won't "cow-tow" to someone and jeopardize my self respect. I don't give a flying fig about ego or popularity or the big "ta-da". My heart aches for a lost dog out there who is scared, hungry, cold, sick, alone, and wondering in a foreign land with danger and death around every bend. Her moments in this virtual life are numbered. So let's just sit back and play a waiting game! Hmmmm. Now, I admit, I can't rescue her today. But don't rule out tomorrow... or three days from now.....maybe never.... but no one, no one, can tell me to stop caring about a stray dog out there. My concern has always been about Vivi. Period. I am not trying to rescue and save the owners or anyone else here. I have a pretty good idea they can fend for themselves. Ya think?

Maggie ~ 1) they wouldn't even know who I am , since you don't and 2) I'm going to look now , wanna come? I'll even pick you up on the way :)!!! I won't go away sorry...Restraining order on a dog that is not in their care... come on Maggie , that can't happen or they'd have to keep me from going to NY since she could be anywhere. I'm off ... say all you please never bothers me but I do listen absorb and decide, so far the only thing right is my gut , tells me to keep on going.

This blog is getting out of control. I suggest everyone needs to step back and remember why people read this. Many of us have been here since day 1 and while we rarely comment, we read because we care and hope to get updates AND ultimately good news. I suspect if this continues and people bicker and threaten, the blog will be shut down. IF you want to stay involved in the search for Vivi it will have to be in an orderly manner. Otherwise, you'll be on your own and the rest of us will be in the dark right along with you.
Please everybody stay sane and be KIND to each other.

To: Just trying to make sense of this: Your histrionics on this blog today have undermined everything that the volunteers have done to help Vivi. Look back at your posts. You said: "Owners are not here and if they were they wouldn't even know I was looking unless they seen me hanging flyers... It's really that innocent!" It's not that innocent. Sensitive dogs like sighthounds sense the hysterical energy that you have exhibited here today. You really think when you're running around out there in Queens that you aren't affecting Vivi? You need to back off and respect what the owners want. Would you like someone storming into your life and telling you how things are going to be whether you like it or not? I didn't think so.

How about just letting everyone say what they want and not being judgemental and holier than thou and ordering them off this blog? Who died and left you in charge?

IF YOU DON'T HAVE SIGHTHOUNDS, YOU DON'T KNOW WHIPPETS. By "following" Vivi, at this point, she feels she's being chased. That puts her "survival" instinct into high gear, and YES she is running!!!! She can feel the vibes and she's reacting to them.

Yes Vicki. You put that perfectly. I've never had a sighthound, but I had an American Eskimo who was so sensitive and in tune with everyone and their energies and would respond to you accordingly; sometimes it was a little unnerving how perceptive she could be.

RE: just trying to make sense of this.....
Ya know...all you ladies jump all over her, upset someone who's already upset, throw the first punch because you disagree with what she has to say, get downright malicious, she stands her ground, you turn it all around on her, and then move in for the kill with "the bad vibes for Vivi" song.

Angela ~ And all these people that she can run in to everyday that may have seen her flyers are not a threat... ? Come on now , it IS that innocent for me to be in a park or cemetary and to look the other way if I noticed her... I'm a big girl and know better! However you want to spin it I am no threat to Vivi. Goodbye

Terri, I've no doubt they can fend for themselves. I agree her momments are numbered. I have said it before..she is a stray. I believe the frustrating thing for the owners is that she has been sighted so many times but there is no plan in place to rescue her other than to let her become comfortable where she is. Knowing where she is, I wouldn't let that go on to long. I don't know what the answer is for catching her, they want it to be safe...that may not be the case...aside from putting sticky tape all over the area so when she steps on it she can't move...how she's ever managed to dodge the traffic is beyond me.

I think the owners are just asking people to use common sense here, but really that should be directed to Joe Blow on the street that's been doing the chasing. I don't believe anyone here has chased her..as no one has seen her other than this other Gail..who apparently searches without carrying any food on her to lure her in nor did I see her say she rolled on the ground etc.

Vivi needs all the caring prople she can get.

The difference is that the other people she may run into are members of that Queens community--they are comfortable in their environment, relaxed, going about their day. They aren't out there running around cemetaries and parks. The bottom line is that we received a clear directive from the owners and it should be followed. And Terri there IS a hierarchy. This isn't about you and your self esteem. Bo et al. are the owners of this dog and have all rights regarding their dog. Honi is the NY liason to the owners and acts on their behalf. The volunteers are supposed to be just that--volunteers--people who give freely of their time, etc. to help get the word out on the owners' missing dog.

Nothing is worse than to think you are helping and then cause a dog to panic and run into traffic. I've seen it happen before. I would listen to the owners on this one. Every weekend I've had my husband drive me to various areas of Queens in search of Vivi according to recent sitings. Never got out of the car, never saw her even with binoculars in the early days at JFK. I pray for her safe return and will abide by the owners request until asked to do otherwise.

Attention Lumpenproletariat: Please refill the coffers and please refrain from making complaints about how you think things should be done. Thank you for your help in this matter!

Thanks Terri,
I was taught at a very young age to stand my ground ! I was also taught to take care of our animals , I lost a dog when I was little and I think it took it's toll on me , I was so sad and cried all the time . My mom never stopped looking and it was all because she knew we'd find good old
Sam... sooner or later. My dad was giving up and my mom just said she had a good feeling aboout it and she was going to run the ad for another week . Everything we could do was done ... This was in December. Mom went out as much as she could since their were 6 of us kids time was very limited but we'd all be calling for Sam. In april a lady called and said she thought the dog we were looking for had been sleeping in her Garage and she was feeding Sam . If we did not run that ad or gave up their was a good chance that Sam would be in someones home where he didn't belong and we would never know what happend to him. It's all in my gut and strong feelings. Thank goodness for good people in the world who do care and more importantly who DO NOT give up. 4 months he was gone and boy it took him about 20 minutes to get introduced to us again but he remembered and it was a miracle. Thanks again... :)

You just never know what may have happened in this search for Vivi that is not being posted or reported to bloggers/searchers that has upset the owners. But what is obvious is that they have been receiving e-mails that are critical and who knows what else -- and if they read some of these posts discussing their financial situation, their motives, and some people's intent to "do it my way" no matter what....it's no wonder they are upset.

As for kicking someone off this blog or limiting access -- if this hysteria and bickering continues this blog will either be shut down or die a natural death because already fewer and fewer people are posting. And just a suggestion, maybe the "!!!!" and the CAPS should be limited...we get it, you're frustrated and you're mad. But guess what, Vivi gets it too. We've been repeating that over and over but some just don't seem to want to understand.

I've been reading this blog regularly and try not to comment on some of the assinine things that are said BUT - can we stop the bickering and concentrate on what is best for Vivi and follow her owners wishes.

When my laptop died a couple of weeks ago, I was in the middle of reading a nasty blog like this one. Now, I'm at the public library in Eugene, Oregon hoping that today's ugliness won't bring down the entire library network!

Bloggers, get a grip!!!

The best help we can give Vivi is our collective positive energy.

My thoughts and prayers are with you, Sweetie Pup. Be safe.

To: just trying to make sense of this: This isn't about you and your lost childhood dog!! Vivi's owners are not giving up--they are changing tactics and because they didn't bother to clear them with you first doesn't mean they have decided to give up and do nothing. It's none of your business what they may or may not have planned. They owe you nothing. They issued a clear instruction for people to back off.

In my experience, when people stop using a real "name" on a blog, that is a sign of things to come.

Angela...I'll just attribute your miscommunication to your reading skills. Perhaps you should review my post again. If you believe that there is a hierarchy formed here made up of people who are better than you are, then I do indeed feel sorry for you.

Just trying to mkae sense.....
I can appreciate where you're coming from. Some hope, compassion and understanding goes a long way. An open mind will go the distance.

Sorry.... typo....jtt "make" s

smart prolie: you are smart aren't you!

My reading comprehension is excellent and your coy insult about my intelligence is duly noted. I was not responding to, nor do I care about your self esteem hierarchy nonsense. There is a hierarchy of who has input regarding the direction of the search, and volunteers are not at the top. They have been told to back off.

Beth at 2:36....Amen to that, uh,no exclamation mark.Oh dear, how will I make it without a few !'s and such. Can I use a few *&% and #$%* ? heh
MaryL-California

Angela ~ I guess you missed the point ! I've also read many good stories on this site that people have shared so I can share too. People like to hear good stories and I never said the owners were giving up , please don't put words in my mouth ! It was actually ment for the people who are posting or searching, some are still out there now. Also don't give up can mean many things ... if I said they owners have given up I'd take all the heat for that cuz it's not true. Please stop spinning my words...

KO - ARE YOU OUT THERE???? IF SO, CALL MY CELL: 516-205-0421 NEED TO SPEAK WITH YOU****** DARLENE

WE ARE STILL SPENDING THE DAY FIGHTING? UGH!! WHERE ARE ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ON HERE IN LATE FEB/ EARLY MARCH. CAN THOSE PEOPLE PLEASE COME BACK? AND GUYS WE ARE NOT CHASING HER TO CATCH HER FOR GOD'S SAKE. IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT OR TRUST US BY NOW, THEN PLEASE COME AND SHOW US HOW. ENOUGH WITH THE LECTURES ALREADY.

Does anyone have Courtney's e-mail? (Biggie's mom)
I know it's here somewhere, but it's hard to wade through all the stuff to find.
Thanks.

*comes out of hiding/lurking briefly to say hello to Darlene*...

Hi my friend!! Good to see you! I never thought I'd say this but I really wish I could turn back time to second week of February when we all began posting on this blog...it was such a beautiful place, a community...but then again, if I had the power to turn back time I would of course prevent poor Vivi from ever being mishandled by Delta in the first place...*sighs*

*keeping hope & faith alive here in nyc*
We Love you Vivi!
http://www.vivalavivi.bravehost.com
-Renee

This latest bickering all started because of a post where one searcher made some good suggestions that were unfortunately misinterpreted by the owners/search organizers.
I feel quite confident that the intelligent and caring searchers who post here are not "amassing" and chasing after Vivi and are not suggesting anyone should do so.

J...I saw it and chose not to comment. Let it go.

Darlene, If your on here tell me..is it worth still putting the flyers in plastic sheets? I'm told they are coming down as fast as they go up. Let me know before I go out and buy more.

Sharon from Michigan

is this what you are looking for courtney.place@sbcglobal.net

If that is not the correct individual because I believe there maybe several Courtneys, I found this on a previous message

BIGGIE LOST PUG MISSING SINCE MARCH 3RD IN SUNNYSIDE FAWN AND BLACK PUG 4YRS OLD ANY INFO ON HIM WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED 212 927 8561 OR 347 432 2329,,LARGE REWARD FOR HIS SAFE RETURN

I came back to this today after a field trip I was on today and checked in hoping for a better day. However, since people are now not only arguing with each other but attempting to alarm the owners by forwarding other people's posts to them it was almost like that was set from the start. The post that was forwarded was a long critique by someone who said she was an on the ground searcher and first time blogger and who was saying what she thought ought to happen but who had the unfortunate timing of making the recommendations on the day Bo was saying back off. They don't need to hear all this bickering that now happens every day. It probably makes them feel bad enough that they have lost their dog in the most stressful possible circumstances and have to rely on the kindness of strangers to help get her back. They couldn't do it without us and they know it. Let's remember that and do what it takes if we chose to, or just be quiet if we don't.
And I was one who in here in March and February though I have been unable to got to New York to do all the real work, which has been relentless and amazing. Especially from a handful of people including Darlene. Keep up that great work and don't let the negativity get you down. She's still there, still alive and it is just a matter of time, just taking longer than we hoped. I'll mail some more posters tomorrow.

Seriously folks, take Bo's advice and calm down. Allow Vivi to get comfortable with her surroundings. She will eventually go up to someone who knows about her and even if they don't know about her, she has the microchip which will identify her when taken to a veterinarian. Vivi has made national and international news. Believe me a lot of people know of her. Dogs have instincts as children do. Example: If you want to know whether someone is a good or bad person, watch the behavior of a dog or child. They know. Back off and have patience with Vivi. She will eventually gain enough confidence to go up to someone. Try praying and asking God if HE will guide her. So far, HE has kept her safe and will continue to do so. I truly believe that. Besides I am in the process of being certified as a pet detective. The information that Bo posts is absolutely correct. Do Not Chase Vivi. Do not attempt to catch Vivi. It is a simple as this: YOU ARE NOT SWIFT ENOUGH TO CATCH A DOG THAT DOES NOT WANT TO BE CAUGHT. You don't want to frighten this precious dog out of her comfort zone and you don't want her to go into hiding and travel only when she knows or feels that people aren't watching her. Take heed to Bo, Jil, Paul's,and other experts warnings. They know that your intentions are good and that you care. Honi put it best when she said there are "too many chiefs". Many good intentions that may be wrong won't even come close to making one right. If you really want to HELP, then do as Honi, Jil, Paul, and Bo asked and have pateience with Vivi. She will come back when given the chance to gain confidence.

Liz...you're probably right about the owners/searchers misinterpreting. Perhaps they shouldn't "jump the gun" quite so frequently and fire it our (or if anyone doesn't want to be included) my way.
Re: "bickering"....Like our dear Irene has said many times before....this is a democracy. We are all entitled to say what we want. Let's not attack each other for it. Let's just listen and if we don't like it, ignore it. But like I said before, I'm nobody's minion. Come at me, and I'll come back at you. Respect goes both ways. The only life I'm concerned with here is Vivi's. The only feelings I'm concerned with is Vivi's. Don't hand me all this song and dance about anyone else in your "hierarchy'. They're taking care of themselves and are a helluva lot better off than Vivi right now. I weep for Vivi. Could we all just concentrate on saving Vivi? Instead of kissing asses???????

The last thing that needs to happen is for good people to become discouraged.
Communication is a funny thing. On this blog, I have witnessed people's words become misinterpreted, misquoted and misunderstood.
The most important fact, in my humble opinion, is that people care about Vivi and want her to get home safely.
I have "met" some fantastic individuals here and can only hope that God forbid, my little Chihuahua ever found himself lost- they would help me try to find him.
It's not a time to be judgemental or irrational. It is possible that Bo, Jil, and Paul have been dealing with issues not known to all.
This is about Vivi: a beautiful dog who we all have come to love. Let's keep our focus on her.

Terri you can say whatever you want as long as you do what the owners ask. Courtney gets it why dont you.

Courtney: Beautifully said. Thanks.

I also found the postings by Brian and Bo very ugly to say the least. They need to learn how to express themselves better and also some good "old fashioned" appreciation and manners would be nice.

As for me, I am still waiting to see a poster/flyer(designed by Paul's business with his graphic background and facilities) printed and distributed to Honi or whoever for the volunteers to distribute and areas noted where these should be distributed.

If Vivi is indeed the dog of the owners, and I will agree to this although it is said that possession is nine-tenths of the law, then they should be providing these supplies and information to the people they have asked to canvass these areas. Surely the money is there after the benefit and other contributions. Where are the posters and flyers guys!

Gail in Ct. The only flyers that are staying up are the ones in plastic sheets. It's the elements that are causing the others to fall down. So, in answer to your question YES we are.

God forbid...if I were ever in this situation, I would want these people out there looking for my dog; each and every one of them brainstorming, trying to find a way, any way, knowing that his life is an hourglass ticking by. I'd be on my knees, thanking God for laying their hearts and lives on th