Animal House

It makes me so sad seeing these pictures of ViVi in her back yard playing. I dream of the day she is back there playing again.

Marty....I wish for what was also, but isn't she beautifull?

I figure this will be the "thread" for today unless they post a new one. I was able to make 20 posters last night and will UPS them overnight to "Vivi Search". I wish it could have been more but I ran out of steam after midnight... :)

Lots of new information to sift through. I printed up this last bit of information so I can read it (not skim through it). It would help to organize the next phase.

does anyone know if the detective dogs picked up scent around that Bell Blvd. apartment? Maybe if that was Vivi, it's where she got the cord around her neck ?

love those photos, oh they are beautiful it made me cry. I so hope we get to see new ones of her in a month or so, romping with her doggie friends again...c'mon Vivi, your dog buddies want you back home!

Did anyone see the report last night on channel 7 news? Am I crazy or did they show the wrong picture for Vivi???? They showed a brown and white whippet?!?!

I wish I could remember what blog it's on but there was a newspaper article earlier on from a reporter it went something like her being a show dog and being stuck in crates and enjoying her run in NY. I'd love to send this slide show to that idiot but I don't remember who it was.

What size paper are posters being printed on?
8 1/2 by 11
11 by 14

or 11 by 17

Someone please respond ASAP. I am leaving for Kinkos Fedex in a few min.

I was thinking the same thing Monica. They showed a picture with "Whippet" over it, probably to acquaint the viewers with the breed. But it could be mistaken that that is Vivi by anyone who doesn't know what she looks like.

11 x 17 WOULD BE GOOD*******

Gail, it was on mercurynews.com but it didn't have a byline, just written by some nameless idiot in the sports department....

I know this message is long but, this individual raises some very good questions that I believe need to be read by those who are incharge, I know it is easy for someone out of state who is not directly involved with the search to make suggestions and difficult for those who are out there day and night being pulled in all different directions to do all that is being asked. Since Vivi has made the decision to be on the move and not stay put, I think getting someone who has tracking experience to at least identify locations where see may be or has been would be a good idea. The individual who sent the message below, indicates that she has knowledge of someone closer than Laura who is able to do this. Would it be so bad to give him a try and see what he is able to come up with??????????

Mary Hudson asked:
>>>>I am wondering WHY there are not searchers at all exits to the cemetery, including the holes in the fence?

Good question Mary, I'd like to know the exact same thing? I went from Staten Island Monday morning at 4: 00AM to the cemetery, I thought I'd finally get to meet many of the searchers, and yet nobody was there! I continued to patrol the cemetery area and the golf course until 9:00AM and all I ever met was one searcher (nice lady named Darlene or Arlene) who arrived at the cemetary somewhere between 6:00-7:00......IMO if there weren't enough searchers to be stationed all around the perimeters of the cemetery throughout the night, it should have been announced! And that announcement should have come in time to bring in more people. Dissemination of information is critical in a situation such as this!
Back to Monday morning.....in the daylight I could see that there were numerous places along the fence where Vivi could have squeezed through during the night, as well as points where she could have jumped onto to medium sized head stones and over the fence...that's an easy feat for a whippet. At 7:30 the cemetary opened, so not only was the front gate opened all day with no one watching it, but a back fence gate door was opened on Auburndale.....

This is not to be negative, but it is strong constructive criticism......the search organizers have to "get" that there's a lot more than must be done in addition to putting up posters, setting out traps & food where she's been and relying on someone local getting her.....and on the subject of some local person getting her: IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IF THEY KEEP GRABBING AT HER!!.......one MUST EDUCATE the public if you're going to count on them for a successful result!

Vivi's appearance at the cemetery this weekend was a GOLDEN opportunity to contain her, but apparently once again it was assumed that she'll stay in an area where she's safe......nothing could be further from the reality of lost dog behavior. A feral animal roams at night in it's search for food and anything that frightens that animal....such as someone GRABBING at it....will make it flee that area....which is what Vivi has now obviously done! Yesterday I made a plea to one of the volunteers to amend the flyers/posters to also read: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO GRAB HER OR MAKE SUDDEN MOVES TOWARDS HER! Twice in 2 days she's bolted from sudden attempts to grab her.....HOW MANY MORE TIMES CAN THIS HAPPEN BEFORE SHE IS DRIVEN INTO TRAFFIC?
Is my sound advice being listened to? NO!

And it's not the first time........

The mindset this weekend that "she'll stay put where she's safe" is the same thinking that prevailed back when searches were being done at the airport, despite a reliable sighting of her at a construction site off the airport near the Belt Parkway and Guy Brewer Blvd. a few days after she first got loose!! I learned about this the second week she was missing (this was right after the first night that I had gone searching at NIGHT outside the airport as I knew from experience that searching in the day at such a high activity location was ludicrous!) I also saw many openings in the airport fencing so I knew there was no way she was "safe & contained" there! I also seriously doubted that she'd stay at the place where she had suffered so much trauma......
So, I reached out at that point and had one of the head organizers contact me so I could share my impressions, concerns and offer advice.......I ended up being blown off and ridiculed....meanwhile since then EVERYTHING I said has proven to be right......I had suggested that posters go up at the race tracks as she could go there from the construction site on Guy Brewer Blvd. and I was told "She'll never get across the Belt Parkway without getting killed"........I explained that late at night she could easily cross the Belt Parkway via any of the roadways that cross over it and that I have a good understanding of such things based on my 40+ years in dogs and rescuing strays in Bklyn where I grew up......to this I was told: "This is Queens, not Bklyn"......sheesh as if Bklyn consists of a farmlands or something totally unlike Queens?? To me both boroughs have all the same elements of a largely populated inner city and thus they present the same challenges, risks and opportunities to successfully rescuing a lost dog.....and anyone who has experience in rescuing strays in the city should be treated with a little more respect.....or at least have an open mind to the valuable information they can share with you....
I was bringing to the table experiences of successfully rescuing stray canines & felines on the streets of Bklyn. that date back to my childhood, 40 years of multi dog & cat ownership of various breeds of both species and 16 years as a breeder/exhibitor of boxers, hence in my lifetime I've had my share of some dogs that were "master escape artists", as well as mishaps where a dog or cat has gotten accidently loose due to stupid things like a deliveryman not fully closing a fence door behind him, etc. Yes, I know all too well the agony that Bo, Paul and Jill have gone through....with one exception. I've never had one go missing more than 5 days.....Why? Because I never assumed they were safe and contained anywhere until they were back in my arms! It's human nature to imagine one's beloved pet is safe somewhere when it has gotten loose, but that's not reality and the danger is that it affords one a false peace of mind which prevents one from taking the extra steps neccessary to find that pet.

I can tell from reading many of the posts here that there are many other good folks here with the same experiences and knowledge that they are freely offering as I have been and I am seeing that your sound advice and helpful questions don't seem to be responded to.....I guess the mindset is that the only advice deemed credible is from a hired professional from out of the area.........what a shame for Vivi......

I wonder if the "pros" watched the streaming video of Vivi at the Westminster site? I did and I knew instantly that she was going to be a "tough customer" to find & entice to come.....go look at it and you'll see for yourself....she's so bonded to Paul she's rather stare into his eyes than free-bait for him.....look at how he has to keep redirecting her focus to the bait...and notice on the down & back how she snatches at a piece of bait off the floor and how she also glances at something to the side.....nothing gets past this savvy little girl....I know this type of bitch well. Note: Some of my observances wouldn't be so significant if she was new to the ring......but she's not...she's a special and a BIS winner, so she knows damn well what's expected of her in the ring and yet she's still determined to "do her own thing"....that says a lot about her character and why she's been so hard to find, but it's also why she has managed to stay alive this long...she is indeed a tough little cookie. However, lately I have grave concerns regarding her health due to the recent reports that her eyes have pus in them.....that pus will impact one if not possibly three of her of her most valuable senses (sight, hearing and scent) which have been the key to her survival. I believe this may be why she's showed herself in daylight to a few folks this weekend......if her most important scenses are no longer servicing her to full capacity, her instincts are telling her she needs help. As feral as she had become, she was once highly domesticated, more so than the average housepet due to her show career, as well as having once had a litter and all the pampering that came with that, so I think this girl is truly seeking help before it's too late....she just needs to meet the right person she can trust...

Yesterday, I also offered the name & phone # of someone within 2 to 3 hours of Queens who does tracking/scent work, so that future sightings of Vivi could be positively confirmed as soon as they occurred.......I also mentioned that this name came to me though a reknown AKC judge who knows Bo and is also with the NJ Federation of Dog Clubs.......yet this offer was rejected.....go figure??
I know of ways to get many more people who are understanding of canine behavior to help search for her and there's other advice I can offer, but frankly I'm tired of my words falling on deaf ears.....I think my energies are better spent just looking for her myself....hopefully me or someone like me will get to her before some idiot who only sees $5000(instead of the poor frightened soul that she is)goes and rashly grabs at her and gets her killed by a car......I'm off to go look for her now.....praying tonight will be the night that God brings our paths together....please send postive vibes....thank you.....
PS: Sorry for the length this post, but I've been biting my tongue for 5 weeks....obviously this had to be said.....once again it's not negativity, it's constructive criticism....and I implore the "powers that be" to please learn from it....for Vivi's sake.
So Mary If you've read this far, I guess you have the answers to your questions.

Posted by: Diane Kowalchyk-Morris | March 22, 2006 at 02:41 AM

Posted by: Meri-Lou | March 22, 2006 at 10:25 AM

Diane, have you spoken directly to Vivi's owners, or whomever is in charge of the search (is it possible your info just hasn't gottne to the right person, or maybe needs to be said again?)...it sounds very good to me, but I have no expertise in any of this.

Meri-Lou:

Thank you for re-posting the above...I saw it at 4;00AM while I was unable to sleep and was afraid it would not be seen and get lost. I don't know how to move it from one thread to another.

Thanks for doing that...this is very important and she is a knowledgeable lady who's input seems to have been brushed aside. Can't do that because we need all the ideas and help we can get here...

Irene Wilson

My quess is she is one dirty dog by now and her white is very dingy. The making down one leg is probably the distinguishing factor.

I see Gale the animal communicator was on last night but she answered none of my questions about her "seeing Vivi captured". I do believe in the positve energy but we need more help than that.

OG I can't make up posters but can I help with the costs so you can make double?

I think it was Beth reaching Bo in person, before the idea of Laura was implemented....perhaps that kind of action needs to happen again (I hope I'm not saying the wrong things here or stirring things up, but it does seem that Diane has some good ideas that should at least reach Vivi's owners). Can anyone help with this?

OG, I can't make up posters either. How many were you planning to make and how much are they? If I call them will they make and ship some for me?

There was a post from Denise with an address to send the posters to. Can someone reprint that address? My wonderful dialup is not picking up that post.
Thanks

CALL BONNIE AND HAVE ASK JIL ABOUT THIS PERSON POSSIBLE. JIL IS HERE AND CAN MAKE THE DECISION ON WHAT DIANE HAS SAID. IF SHE KNOWS SOMEONE, MAYBE WE CAN TRY. AND SHE HAS A GREAT POINT - EVEN SHE SAW WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS OUT THERE. PEOPLE IN CARS COULD HAVE HELPED BLOCK THE OPENINGS. THAT IS WHY THIS SAT. IS SO IMPORTANT - IT IS WED - SEARCH IS DAWN UNTIL YOU DROP ON SAT. - 3 DAYS NOTICE. LET'S SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP. IF WE DON;T GET IT TOGETHER, WE ARE NEVER GOING TO FIND HER!!!!! WE NEED PEOPLE IN CARS, TRUCKS, ON FOOT, ON BIKES, ETC - ANYTHING!!!!!! ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS - WE WILL SEE ON SAT. I DO NOT KNOW ANY OTHER WAY TO PUT THIS - WE HAVE SCREAMED, CRIED, PLEADED, BEGGED..... WE NEED HELP!!!!!!

SEND POSTERS TO:
VIVI SEARCH
3392 BAY FRONT PLACE
BALDWIN, NY 11510

Gail...that article from that idiot is here: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/14136855.htm
I think we all should write that paper and complain about this guy. What an incredible IDIOT !!

I still think we need a tracking person there, too! We need verification! I understand that the tracker isn't going to capture her - but by bringing them in for a day or two, we just end up in the same boat a few days later. Terrie

Darlene, someone mentioned getting help from companies that hire people to distribute flyers. What about that? Another - someone was calling the high school(s) in the area about notifying the kids about Vivi. What about enlisting some of their clubs to help?

that was lois, barbara v. she was trying to get a mechandizing co. to help us.

I think we have raised enought money to get help in trying to stay up with ViVi. That's what the money was raised for. It's hard for all of our volunteers to do all the work because they have jobs and family so please let's get someone hired to come help in getting ViVi back home with Jil.

Bonnie has a message with an e-mail for all to respond to that can help search all day Saturday.
Wouldn't that be the place to send a message if you feel you have experience that can be helpful?

Linda
NH

terri - i know it is so frustrating. we get so far, and then nothing again. the problem is the lack of people. laura left sunday and thene vivi popped up. we all were there for hours and hours. then, monday came and work time. here wer only tina, rosa, and maybe one other person out there. we need to get people, even if we have to pay them, to sit the perspective areas during the hours we cannot be there. it has to be regualted though. they cannot come and go with no regard. they need a schedule and it must be adhered to.

SHARON W: I READ THAT RUBBISH. GOOD THING I CAN RIP SOMEONE'S HEAD OFF IN AN EYE BLINK. OH, I ATTACKED ALRIGHT!!!!!

Darlene, would Honi or Bonnie be the ones to set that up? Like Marty says, we have raised enough money to do something like this. We do need to give you guys a break. The only other option is to fly some of us in for a week at a time - I would be the first to volunteer, but Delta would have to pay my way. :-)
Anyway, Bonnie and Honi must know enough people to get the word out that we would be willing to pay some people a small wage to walk the area and keep their eyes out for Vivi.
I don't know Honi or Bonnie. Is there someone out there that could call one of them?

Oh my God you guys, new post from Denise. Is the botanical gardens near the cemetary! Oh my God this is great news. Terrie

Darlene..it just ASTOUNDS me that someone could even THINK that, let alone actually WRITE it. I still can't believe it. What an AH he is.

Guys! If I am not mistaken, she's back near the cemetery(YEAH). There has been another sighting - Queens Botanical Gardens.

I'm working on the merchandiser to hand out flyers near the subway station (Main and Roosevelt). Lots to do (and I've still got some of my own work to get done too!)

I'll try to keep you updated if I hear anything! It was a fluke that I even heard about it. Beth and I were talking to Bonnie about what she needed most (posters/flyers, etc.) when she took another call...then, she got back on and told us the news. I wanted to let you guys know what I know. Come on VIVI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stay PUT!

GUYS - TO GO THE BLOG "VIVI SMELLS THE ROSES" 2 MORE SIGHTINGS!!!!!!

We are looking into to distributing flyers at schools in the area, and at the Flushing subway stop. Doing that now. Also looking into getting postcard-sized cards to pass out to people in the area. What you all need to be doing is simple: start making large, neon posters and get them up. If you can get to NYC this Saturday, do it.

Does anyone have any suggestions on who we need to hire to help our volunteers. Jil is here so lets get going with some help. I knew by what one of the volunteers said last night, SHE IS EXHAUSTED as I'm sure they all are. PLEASE let's get someone hired right now to help. ANY SUGGESTIONS ON WHO TO HIRE. ViVi is getting away from us and if we don't get the ball rolling right now to stay on top of her I'm afraid she is going to be to far gone. PLEASE LET'S DO IT NOW.

How cute, my Grandmother just called me here at work to let me know Vivi is going to have a segment about her most recent sighting on CBS news today at 12 noon(EST). I just wish I could watch it but I'm here at work. Any of you that are home make sure to put CBS news on at Noon!!!!!

-Renee

Would someone please tell me how far is this sighting from the cemetary. does it look like she could be back tracking

****** IDEA: WOULD THE CEMETARY ALLOW JIL AND RICK TO SPEND THE NIGHT IN A TENT WITH SOME OF THERE'S AND VIVI'S BELONGINGS, MAYBE THIS WOULD MADE VIVI WANT TO EXPLORE AND POSSIBLE APPROACH THE ARE THEY WOULD BE IN. JUST GRASPING AT STRAWS....ROSA IN MICHIGAN..

I just got off the phone with the Mercury News, I wanted an email address to whomever wrote the article and they didn't have one and they didn't give me his name. I'm afraid I let loose and told them need to revise that bunch of crap and the idiot didn't know what he was talking about. I told her there are many who are up in arms about it and pissed off. She said Ohhhhhhh. We'll see, at least I got it off my chest.

what about local Boy/Girl Scouts of America? Jill says she likes boys "a flirt".

Thank you Gail....you GO GIRL.

SORRY, DID THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? I JUST CHECKED IT AND CONFUSED MYSELF. IT WOULD BE QUITER AT NIGHT AND IF SHE SPENDING THE NIGHT THERE, SHE COULD POSSIBLEY FEEL MORE COMFERTABLE APPROCHING THEM.. SPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE STINKY FOOD. ANY OPINIONS

What about having the little 12 year old girl come out to play with Vivi again, without older kids or adults around?

Looks to me like the bloggers should be posting now under "long note"

Gail: I hear your frustrations and anger about the man who wrote an article in the Mercury News; however, please don't forget that EVERYONE in this country has the right to Free Speech and the press is free as well...that's what makes us so different from almost any other country on this planet.

Yes, it is frustrating when we don't agree with what they say; however, they do have a right to say it and write it. That's why you can turn around and criticize him...

Better to spend our energies on more productive things. If you don't agree with someone's opinio, I think it best to just move on and pass it by.

I'll get off the soapbox now!

Sorry, but all of the above is just my opinion..doesn't mean it's right or wrong/

Irene Wilson

If she's back in the cemetary it's time to be there at night using the NIGHT GOGGLES!!!!!!! It would detect a presence they couldn't see at night. I THINK MY FACE IS TURNING BLUE and the anger from my dog being attacked last night is coming out!

GOD, I HAVE NO CLUE!!!!! I WISH I NEW SOMEONE WHO COULD HELP!!! LAUREL GAVE ME A NUMBER TO KISSENA CIVI ASS'N: 7188-692-7744
I CANNOT CALL FROM WORK BUT THEY ARE HAVING A CIVIC MEETING TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!

I sent Bonnie's post about the search party to my friend who breeds and shows....she is going to send it to every e-mail list she subscribes to...this might be good if everyone on various breed lists did this if they haven't already, to help round up NY volunteers for the weekend?

Why would I have to move on from it Irene? Like you said FREE SPEECH and I gave it! IMHO

ROSA: THEY WOULD HAVE TO CALL THE CARETAKER. I DOUBT DUE TO OPEN GRAVES AND INSURANCE REASONS.

Darlene I've been calling and calling the NYC Transit and getting no where. I've searched all over the nte for an email address..nothing..I'll keep trying.

Gail:

AMEN!! If you feel better, that's all that counts.

Irene Wilson

I AM RUNNING TO A HUNTING SUPPLY STORE AT LUNCH. I WILL CHECK ABOUT RENTING NIGHT VISIONN. I CANNOT AFFORD TO BUY PAIRS OF BINOCULARS AT THIS POINT. IF I CAN RENT SOME, I WILL CALL BONNIE AND ARRANGE FOR A PICKUP ASAP********

Darlene, that is what our donations are for. Let Lois know how much to refund you.

so if the Doberman guy saw her in the cemetary at 3:30 am this morning, she is obviously returning there each night....is it not possible to watch for her leaving it each morning, I know that sounds so simple and probably isn't but arggghhh -how frustrating!

Can't we buy a pair of nightvision goggles, we
have donated enough money for things like this.
Give them to Jil and Rick and let them camp out
at this cemetery. Any chance anyone from NJ is
going in for th is search on Saturday? I need
to hook a ride, I can't drive too well right now
due to sciatia in my back, but hell I will still
walk and search for our girl

I do feel better Irene, thanks :-)I needed to blow off steam and who better to get it than a reporter like that?

DARLENE : here is a place that rents them, with overnight rush delivery !

http://www.rigeloptics.com/night_vision_rentals.php

Anyone out there have night goggles that can be borrowed?

Walmart has a bunch of them on their web site. I don't know what stores are near you.

We can buy them and than donate them to Bonnie. It would a be a write off than, not that that matters to me.

We must have money somewhere for them.

some Wal-Marts also sell night vision binoculars and monoculars...

LOIS - I WILL DO. THEY ARE NORMALLY PRICEY. I BUY THME FOR USE ON NUCLEAR SUBMARINES. I KNOW THAT WE DON'T NEED THAT EXTREME, BUT I WILL DO MY BEST TO GET A GOOD DEAL.... 5 MINUTES.....

did this come through, don't see it....

DARLENE : here is a place that rents them, with overnight rush delivery -

http://www.rigeloptics.com/night_vision_rentals.php

LOOKING ON WALMART NOW..... I PERSONALLY CANNOT AFFORD OT GUY THESE AND DONATE. I ALREADY BOUGHT BINOCULARS, TAPE GUNS, AND MAPS OF NYC THAT I GAVE AWAY. HANG ON FOR PRICING.

Darlene - I called Kissena Civic Assoc and got sent directly to voicemail. I left a message and will call again if they do not return my call soon. Good idea! DINA

GOT IT, LIZ!!! WE SHOULD HAVE TONIGHT THOUGH I WANT TO PICK THEM UP. GUYS - THEY ARE AROUND AVERAGE OF $250.00 EACH. HOW MANY AND IS THAT OK? THERE ARE MANY MANY CHOICES!!!! I AM GOING TO THE HUNTING STORE - THEY ARE MUCH MORE INFORMED. ALSO, WALMART HAS ALOT ONLINE ONLY ORDERS FOR THESE. AGH!!!!

DINA - YEAH FOR YOU!!!! THANK GOD PEOPLE ARE HELPING!!!! I AM GOING TO GET THE NIGHT VISION. SOMEONE HAD BETTER OK THIS.......
IF I GET THEM NOW, I WILL DROP OFF TO JIL RIGHT AFTER WORK. STAND BY MY FRIENDS - GOD, CAN ANYONE GO AND GET TO FLUSHING NOW????? I HATE WORKING!!!! BYE FOR NOW. CHECK BACK IN AT 1:00*****

You lost me guys where are you getting them?

Jil and Rick might go for the idea and help with the costs.

DARLENE CAN YOU GET THEM AND HAVE LOIS REIMBURSE YOU?

Just let me know! I promise I will reimburse you.

Try to keep it to one pair? I'm not sure if I should have "okayed" this. I'm kind of new at this...

Lois, I wouldn't worry about it. The money was sent in to help find Vivi. We tried the search dogs let's try something else. If there's money left over it should be utilized. Some of us have offered to pay for some of the flyers but haven't heard anything on it. If need be I'm sure they'd send it to you.

this is nice - the main homepage for this blog's paper (www.newsday.com) has Vivi's photo up, with a note that she's been spotted at 11 am today the Botanical Gardens...thanks to Denise and whomever else is responsible for getting that done!

SPOKE WITH BONNIE - SHE SAID THAT IT WILL TAKEN FROM THE FUNS. I TRIED WALMART, DICKS SPORTING, HEMPSTEAD HUNT, WEST MARINE - NOTHING!!! I RAN OUT OF TIME. I AM GOING TO START CALLING. HANG ON - I WILL FIND SOME~!!!!!

Have to go to work - but I say - use the money we donated to buy the binoculars - I know Lois will reimburse. Don't forget this is the Bloggers $ - we can do what we want with it. I can't see it's a problem with Honi, though I suppose we can check and see if they want them - but it is our money that we collected. Good luck guys! Terrie

Darlene -

Take a look here

http://www.rigeloptics.com/night_vision_rentals.php

I e-mailed Brian R a while back to suggest the radio stations be notified and asked to announce any sightings for us.

Knowing Brian R, I bet he is the one that got that at Newsday for the 11 am sighting at the botanical gardens.

Kathleen Stephenson

two new posts up from Denise...one from Bonnie says that Vivi was spotted at the Botanical Gardens, but not spotted at Corona Park or anywhere else.

shall we move to the next latest posts?

SWITCH TO THE "PLAYING TELEPHONE THREAD"

Darlene,
According to the Dick's website they do carry the goggles. I can call the new Dick's store here in North Jersey and see if they have any and whether they do store to store transfers. Let me know if that will help.

Why doesn't someone contact the tracker that Diane K-M and Mari-Lou suggested but were shot down? That guy is close to the area and that helps with the time factor---it is the timing that is important now---and the "seeing Vivi" any way the group can. Hey Gail---lots of great ideas and work you're doing. Sorry if you didn't think I answered any of your questions but they were soo stuck in matter that it wouldn't of \mattered if I saw Vivi at that very momoent---there wouldn't have been anyone there to nab her! that is the problem. With my work with animals, have had so many people come to me after they have exhausted their attempts with trainers, behaviorists, and specialists (even medicaitons for the animals problems) and the core of the problems the animals' have had were never addressed and the problems never went away. Then they come to me and I find out where the core problem is and at times the people have a hard time understanding what the core problem is because it involves their inabilities to "see" a situation the way it needs to be seen. Once I educate the owners the animal has a chance to have a healthy outcome resolve the problem. Here we are dealing with many people doing many things snd sooo many places that look familiar and where she has been, and that view from Wisconsin begins to take on a charge of the fractic energy of the people in teh area dn the people involved in the search. That is a lot of counter energy to work through but I keep working on holding her in a protective force so she can make it through her ordeal. The problem with getting some people that call themselves "psychic" is that they may all have a different level of sesitivty and view. And many of them are surface viewers and sensors---like Van Prouhg (SP?) he senses through emotional trauma through the solar plexus, so if no trauma he doesn't read very well, pluss they may through out fast information rather than go deeper to get more truth up to the surface to bring more visual to the table. where I work with my sensory abilities is I can get very vivid input and the reads on where the collective is and where teh outcome level will be. I also can spot movement of animals and actually find locations---but that is where the problem began then was at the cemetery---not enough people in the area and not enough plan to surround the fenced area that could have containered her and no night action by a group---and the group can't wait for a next weekend plan to implement---the momentum is up and Vivi is on the move again (that's why I told Paul when I called him before the past weekend---that it was so important that we find her and capture her this weekend!). and there she was---being sighted so many times. so I am doing my part to the best I can with so much extra support from everyone meditating and visualizing and lighting candles and imaging the focus for Vivi to be safe, trust someone enough to get captured, and for the capture (however) to happen successfully. Taking control of the energies is the way I can sidetrack the attitudes of some people poo-ppoing the whole psychic idea. But that closed mindedness doesn't ever help any situation---look at teh world. So here we are getting so close to this doggie and we need to get close enough for a moment---that's it just close enough for a moment to have her captured. That's where I am manifesting now therough all the energies no matter what they are.

GO